ariaadagio ([info]ariaadagio) wrote,
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Things I'd like to see on Grey's...
I refuse to post on TWOP anymore, so I figured I'd add my two cents here.

1.  Can we deal with the fricken NDE?  Please?  I've written three very reasonable/poignant/sustainabley dramatic ways (I think) to pull MerDer out of this morass.  Can't Shonda come up with one?  Just one?

2.  Rose.  Get rid of her, or make her something other than a one-dimensional plot contrivance.  We know she's not going to stay with Derek -- don't treat the viewers like morons and try to pull suspense and drama out of something that is tired and old.

3.  Derek.  Can we please, please, please, please, PLEASE get some back story on him?  I constantly speculate that his seeming arrogance is a cover for extremely low self-esteem and fear of abandonment.  Can we see some of that?  On screen and not in my head?  Please?  Or come up with some other reason why he's a jerk who says beautiful things.  Anything.  I just want to see PD given something to deal with that has substance.  I make no secret that I pretty much watch this show to see him on my screen every week.  Give him something to do.  He's supposed to be the leading man.  Let him lead for god's sake.

4.  MerDer reunion...  Please, please, PLEASE don't force it with a baby.  If you have to have a baby, Shonda, don't make the baby a reason for them to get back together.  That's bullshit.  On a side-note, have I mentioned I think a baby on this show is a huge mistake?

5.  Addison.  Fine.  Bring her back.  But don't make her a Saint.  She can't ride in on her red convertible and fix MerDer in one episode.  If she's an impetus to get MerDer to fix themselves, that's great.  But don't let her sort out all their issues for them.  And I'd love some formal Addek closure.  A real sit-down discussion.  Please?


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[info]sar_sunshine
2008-03-11 01:56 pm UTC (link)
I think a MerDer baby is pretty much the worst idea in the whole wide world. Please tell me that there aren't spoilers to that effect floating around? That would just...no. It would undermine the whole point of having them work out their issues, and I think we can agree that Shonda hasn't exactly been waving her working-mothers-are-amazing flag, so it's probably safe to say that it would be a very temporary fix between MerDer that would undoubtedly end horribly. And honestly, I wouldn't buy Meredith wanting and keeping a baby at this point, especially if things with Derek are still a mess when she finds out. Just...it's a very very bad idea.

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[info]liljan98
2008-03-11 02:06 pm UTC (link)
It's probably good that I never even looked or logged into TWOP, because I only read people complaining about it :-) I totally agree with every one of your ideas (the baby... see below). We need more Derek! The real Derek, someone with substance. Including some back story (the four sisters and dead dad information shouldn't have been set up for nothing) and definitely somde Addek closure. I was really disappointed that she didn't say goodbye to anyone at SGH, especially Derek.

And can we please have a somewhat decent solution to the Izzie/George/Callie triangle? Although I'm afraid that stupid Gizzie storyline tarnished my love for Izzie and George as characters.

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-11 02:31 pm UTC (link)
WORD!

I have to add that addressing Derek's issues and addressing the NDE are one in the same. I personally feel that Mer's experience forced Derek to relive the loss of his father, something he has clearly never recovered from; even Shonda managed to allude to that fact. But, I must agree, Derek Shepherd is the biggest mystery on the show. Until we know more about him and his background, we will never truly understand the nature of his issues. I truly believe that Meredith garnered life lessons from the NDE even if she did not summon the courage to act upon them. The only thing she has left to do in this regard is to share those lessons with Derek.

Derek on the other hand has avoided the issue to the point of anxiety attacks and sleeplessness. Derek suppresses. He has suppresses his need for answers; the truth. He has suppressed his love for Meredith. He has suppressed his true identity to such a point that he thinks that he can create the life he believes he needs with whomever he views as appropriate. Is this not what he did in his marriage to Addie? In the end of Season 3 he claimed a need to learn from his mistakes, but when will he start? I think Derek will never be able to be honest with others until he stops lying to himself. Although Derek is my favorite character; perfectly flawed with an amazing amount of depth (if only Shonda will comply), I can absolutely understand Meredith’s reluctance to trust the man. I myself do not trust him, or Shonda as the case may be. And you are right, Patrick Dempsey has the talent to do this character justice, if only he is allowed.

As for Rose, I am not really sure why, but she does not bother me in the least. She is simply a diversion, another lie Derek is trying to make himself believe. I see her more as a product of his shortcomings than anything else.

And Addison… I could not agree more. Addison is a complete character, not a simple plot device (see above) and she deserves more respect than to be utilized as a tool to mend the Mer/Der relationship. I, as do you, desire to see closure in her relationships, especially with Mark. I think it is necessary for complete healing, even in the Mark/Derek relationship, which has been the highlight of this season as far as I am concerned.

If she has a little wisdom for Derek, so be it, she does know him extremely well. However, please do not allow Addie to be the impetus that sends Derek running back to Meredith. If this relationship is to be built upon solid ground then it is time for Derek to choose Meredith for Meredith, not because he doesn't want Addie, or Rose, or because he is afraid of being alone, or because he is drunk, etc.

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-11 03:37 pm UTC (link)
If any of the things you said above happen I will be very happy but I seriously doubt it I mean it is Shonda we are talking about . What I'm afraid of is that the writers won't even acknowledge Derek's behavior and we will have Meredith once again begging him to take her back once she realizes what she is missing when she sees him moving on with Rose(please please don't let that happen)! I want to see Derek beg her because he's been a jerk for the best part of this season and last season but Shonda talks all the time about how perfect he is and how he is a best man and all. I'd rather have Addison fix it all by herself than have Meredith being stripped of the little self-respect she has. As for the baby I seriously doubt it will happen on the show, I haven’t even seen one semi reliable source talking about it the whole rumor has been created by fans speculation. Anyway when it concerns grey's anatomy I've come to picture the worst case scenario in my mind and then expect 100 times worst on the show. Sorry about being so pessimistic but they've let us down too many times.
lili

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-11 03:41 pm UTC (link)
WORD to everything you said. The baby is a terrible idea, because once the drama over the pregnancy passes, it is boring, and definitely not fitting for a couple like Mer/Der at this point. Can you say "jump the shark"? I want to see them as a couple, dealing with all of their combines and individual issues, and just navigating through life. With the lives they lead as doctors, there certainly has got to be plenty of conflict and drama to create compelling storylines about them dealing with life together, right?

One the NDE, I want Derek to express to Meredith how it affected him, and I want her to explain what happened to her. He needs to know that she came back for him. I think this would clear up so much between them! I agree, you certainly have come up with not only several ways to deal with it, but several conversations! I say we give SAYTM to Shonda!

I definitely want more back story on Derek too, I want to understand him and his issues like we understand why Mer has her issues.

And I agree with Rose, please not Finn-esque love triangles, with a "who will he pick" cliffhanger? We are so beyond that.

And with Addison, I don't mind if she in someway helps Mer/Der, maybe a conversation she has with Derek strikes a chord or something. But I agree, she shouldn't be the magical fixit and nothing else. I would love to see her have some closure with him and Mark, too.

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[info]meredithq
2008-03-11 03:41 pm UTC (link)
I have given up completely on TwoP. I just can't handle the negativity. So, a few thoughts on your thoughts.

1. Meredith's NDE definitely needs to come up. I think it will, and I think both of them finally being honest with each other about what happened and how they feel is going to be the catalyst for their reunion. But I also think that they need to deal with the whole Addison situation. Derek doesn't get to say they already had that fight, because they didn't. These two moments are pivotal in their relationship, and I really hope that both are dealt with.

2. Rose - she doesn't bother me. Of course Derek's not going to marry her. But yeah, something interesting needs to happen there. My sense is that she is around to help Derek find out what he would do if he did meet somebody "who is ready to give him what he wants" (as he said during his passive-aggressive threat veiled as a romantic proposal). After the Meredith/Derek confrontation in 4.11, I got the distinct feeling that Derek was still fixating on his need to find SOMEONE. I think Rose will help him realize that he doesn't just want someone, he wants Meredith. He knows this, deep down, of course...he's just a little confused right now.

3. It would be nice to get some back story on Derek, especially if it helps us understand why he's so afraid of his feelings for Meredith, and why he always has to feel like the good guy, etc. I don't think the Addison/Mark situation is the only reason why he is the way he is - it's been made clear to us that Derek and Addison's marriage was in trouble before the whole Mark incident. So why does Derek pull away from women who love him?

4. Please, for the love of god, no McBaby! I can't agree with you more as far as the baby issue. I find it very disturbing that so many people seem to think that unplanned pregnancy = true love. And Meredith and Derek have enough issues without adding a baby to the mix. Maybe eventually but not as a device to force them back together.

5. And total word to Addison not riding in and fixing everything. Frankly, my secret wish is that Derek will somehow realize (if Addison helps him, that's o.k., but I'd kind of like him to do most of the work on his own) that he's been a total jerk lately, and will apologize to Meredith for his behavior. I'm not in any way saying that Meredith is a saint. But I think right now, Derek is the one who needs to initiate conversation. Meredith is too hurt, and she's put herself out their too many times, to be able to do it. I want Derek to at least acknowledge how much he has hurt her, and to be honest with her for once. She needs to forgive him for Addison, but she can't do that until he acknowledges the magnitude of what he did.

I'm looking forward to seeing how all of this will play out on screen!

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-11 04:27 pm UTC (link)
I post as New Yorker on TWoP and am also ready to abandom them because my fingers have callouses on them from trying to type reasonable, fair posts about Derek and then having people constantly attack him.

Aria, I loved your SAYTM because your portrait of Meredith and Derek was so humane, in my mind their flaws almost became strengths because their acknowledgement of them was so liberating.

I believe Shonda because she announced in the mainstream press, it's even been picked up by CNN, I don't see how she can go back on it now with the entire world knowing about it.

I also think the key to their reunion is their acknowledging the affect the NDE had on both of them, and particularly how powerless and helpless it made Derek feel. Having said that, I can't wait to see it and hope we get a scene in the bathtub in short order.



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[info]jime22
2008-03-11 05:05 pm UTC (link)
Very good points all around. I have stopped posting on twop as well; I can’t take the repetitive posts and over the top negativity anymore. I agree on almost everything that has been said already: No baby, no way in hell, hate the idea, hate what it would do to this couple, they don’t work on TV etc.

Addison coming back all leggy and fabulous is a double edge sword, if she provides us with some insight about why Derek has been acting so erratically for the last season and a half I will welcome her, but if she is there to give him the guidance that leads to the oh-so-magical-light bulb moment then I rather she stays far far away from Seattle. We see our characters taking advice from various sources into consideration all the time (patients, Drs., relatives, etc) but Derek has mastered this into an art, and I want –no, need- that man to think for himself for once in his life.

Rose, I guess she is still somehow necessary but for 5 episodes? Really? I am one of those Mer /Der fans who thought they needed time apart more than anything, I had come to the point where I missed the days when I actually wanted to see them together on my screen without fearing their interactions would leave me cringing, so if Derek’s new other half will be around until the SF I can only hope the impeding reunion between our two characters won’t be a complete return to a formal relationship as in “Here are your earplugs, now come to bed” and more like a declaration of how much they want things to work out this time and acknowledgment on both parts about what they need to change within themselves in order to make it happen (and I mean both parts, yes Derek, I am looking at you too), letting us peek that way into what S5 will be about. A full blown reconciliation would be terrible for the character of Meredith considering recent events and it would make Derek look bipolar at this point.

The discussion about the NDE is long overdue although I don’t expect it to happen soon considering how the subject of the hidden wife that showed up at the end of season 1, just came up now. This show is stagnant, hopefully the fact that they only have 5 episodes to wrap things up will at least give us the impression things are moving at a faster speed. Scratch that, moving at all would be a vast improvement at this point.

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[info]darkandtwisty02
2008-03-11 05:27 pm UTC (link)
I think what you want are alot of what many viewers want. I mean are they ever going to deal with the nde? I mean you can't just shut that chapter of their lives and never talk about it. It needs to be dealt with. Derek needs to be explored we know hardly anything about him, we need to know why he acts the way he does. If they would just address a few issues I think we would be able to understand everything so much clearer. I for one hope if they're really going to put Mer/Der together they address both their issues.

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-11 05:45 pm UTC (link)
Agree with all your points. As for the NDE, I'm not hopeful it will ever be addressed in detail. Grey's just doesn't get in depth enough with the characters (which is getting really tiresome since we are in season 4). I'd also love some backstory about Derek. I wish they would have used the friendship with Mark to give us some insight. Instead its just comedic moments that give us nothing on either man. Agree 100% about a baby. Please NO! Its the very last thing I'd want to reunite Meredith & Derek. I don't want them to be forced back together by circumstance but instead want them to find their way back to one another only because they love each other.

As for twop I never posted there but read there daily. Over the past few months its been awful. From the looks of it, most have abandoned the MerDer thread there. Its 6 or so people posting the same thing over and over. On the rare occasion someone posts an alternate opinion they are either pounced on by the 6 or ignored, both ending any discussion. Sad because the discussion there used to be great. I enjoyed reading the various opinions even the ones I didn't agree with. Now its just rantings.

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Amen to that!
[info]tracyhodgkins
2008-03-11 06:39 pm UTC (link)
The way the NDE has been dealt with, or not dealt with really, in the show frankly makes the whole storyline seem trite and ridiculous. What was the point? Going back to the end of season 3 Meredith was a zombie and up to a point I'm waiting for her to wake up. As for Derek, there was a brilliant opportunity for Grey's to do a really deep PTSD storyline and they blew it. What we have now, it seems to me, is that Merder don't trust each other anymore, Meredith because she thinks Derek is going to leave her and Derek because he thinks Meredith is going to do the same, i.e. probably by dying. I also think the other issue is that Derek thinks the drowning is his fault, an issue referred to once and never brought up again, in 3.17 I think it was. That feeling doesn't just go away.

Rose is so patently a plot device it's actually really quite funny. I think I might cry when the show comes back if we have too many episodes of the longing thing Meredith and Derek did in season 2 when Addison was between them. That said, unless I've missed something I don't get why a no longer engaged woman would wear her ring around her neck. Something about liking the setting wasn't it? Bull. I also don't get why a no longer engaged woman would go for a man who patently obviously adores someone else! Does the woman have some kind of complex, an urge to be hurt perhaps? There were ways of making Derek and Meredith deal with their stuff without doing a season 2 and having someone else between them again. I agree absolutely, it is tired and old and has done nothing for story or character development.

Ah well, Derek's back story....Witnessed death of father at close quarters but couldn't do anything (he was just a child after all) so he got it into his head that he'd failed somehow, you know how kids think. Had a close relationship with father until his death, a somewhat more awkward relationship with mother who, though she means well, is way overprotective. Derek, feeling that he has to be a sort of Dad in the family tries to do everything he can to help his mother, but that leads to him not having a life of his own as such, somehow the overprotectiveness has become controlling. The only outlets are Mark, and in time, Med School, which leads to Addison. Falls in love with Addison in a way, but marries her mainly to escape from the restrictions of life at home...

How does that do as a back story for Derek? It's what I'm using!

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Amen to that! Part two!
[info]tracyhodgkins
2008-03-11 06:40 pm UTC (link)
Oh God, a baby? No!No!No! This, my dears, is a television series, not a bad fanfiction! The time for a discussion about a baby would be when the relationship is on better ground, i.e. like when the couple are actually together. Dropping a baby into the mix now would just be a disaster. I don't even like any idea of having Meredith think she might be pregnant. I can see where that would lead. Derek would think he has to do the right thing, i.e. like he always does, and somehow he and Meredith would get back together. That would make Meredith think he has taken her back just for McBaby, which would be a set up for more conflict. God no!

The idea of Addison waltzing in and fixing things in one episode makes me feel strangely ill. I can't see why they need to bring her back to be truthful, but they would get away with it I suppose if they used her to get some insight into Derek. Personally I don't dislike Addison but I'm not sure the show needs her now.

I must say that I see PD in a whole new light. I saw a documentary about him on the biography channel here the other day and I was surprised. I knew that he'd taken a while to really establish himself but I didn't realise quite how hard it had been. Good for him for making it in the end. It struck me as interesting that according to what they said, Shonda didn't know in the beginning if he could carry off a lead part. I think he has more than proved that he can so they should reflect that in the scripts and give him something to do, something with depth. The ferry arc proved, if nothing else, that the man can act.

The one thing I don't get was that on ABC's forum they were saying that Shonda was meeting up with PD and EP to discuss where to go from here with the story, or words to that effect. Why would she do that? Isn't her job as a writer to write something she believes in and then present it to the actors as a done deal? It came across to me as if she was almost asking them what the hell to do with these characters because she doesn't know. Surely that isn't the right vibe to be sending? I realise they have to tweak things because of the strike, take things out perhaps, but surely that doesn't involve a conference? By the way, I wonder, while I'm adding my (admittedly long-winded) thoughts, if they are taking things out of Grey's because of the strike, is there any chance, just a tiny chance, that one of them could be Izzie? I can't stand that woman!

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[info]liljan98
2008-03-11 07:41 pm UTC (link)
I never thought McBaby would cause such disaproving reactions, I'm stunned, really. I totally agree with everything all of you said about "not right now". It would be a very very bad idea. As for McBaby in general, well I said it all before, don't have to repeat it. I feel bad enough to probably provoked this lengthy baby discussion in the first place.

Re NDE: I also think that Mer/Der need to really deal with this and what it meant for both of them. But I'm not sure Shonda will actually deal with it. In eary season 3 I always thought they need to deal with the whole "staying with Addison" issue and they didn't. The closest we might get of a NDE talk could be Derek accusing her of drowning during some random fight they have in season 6 or something. Like he brought up the "Addison fight" in the last episode.

I don't want Addison to enlighten Derek about his true feelings either, he should make up his mind for himself. In the long overdue Addek closure talk she might unwittingly say something that makes him think. Like how he made similar mistakes during their marriage. You know what I mean? She's talking about the past, but Derek realize that it applies to his present as well? I don't have a concrete idea how that talk could be go though...

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(no subject) - [info]ariaadagio, 2008-03-11 07:57 pm UTC
Comment Part One
[info]dermerfan
2008-03-11 08:00 pm UTC (link)
Have I told you lately that I love you...And your posts!

The NDE: THANK YOU...I want to see some coverage of this too! It has totally irked me that after it happened NOTHING was ever mentioned. That whole thing basically revolved around three episodes (okay, really only two since she fell in at the tail end of Walk on Water) but my point is, it was a big storyline and then Mer showed up at work a few days (maybe weeks) later just...fine. No problems whatsoever?! Ummm...WHAT?! We got to see Derek deal with it more than we did Mer and don't get me wrong, I love Derek and PD did a fabulous job with the emotinal material and Derek did bring it up when he said he didn't know if he wanted to breathe for her but all we got from Mer was that it was different for her thsn it was for him...Let them have a serious sit down about all of that! Surely it had to have had an impact on Mer. I WOULD love for her to tell him she came back for him. I was shocked when SHE didn't deal with at least a little PTSD from everything. It was like Shonda just swept that and the after effects of it under the rug....like, "Okay, we did our famous super bowl episodes...Moving on..."

Oh my gosh...I don't want a MerDer baby...Not right now anyway. I think the two of them have plenty of issues to work out together BEFORE a baby comes into the mix. And honestly, I think a baby would just be another way for them to avoid all of the other things they need to work out. That would be their focus...Not their other issues. I really think they're are plenty of other storylines the two of them could have that have NOTHING to do with a baby. I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see Mer get pregnant eventuslly but not right now. And if that's what Shonda uses to get them together, I'll be very disappointed. There are plenty of other creative storylines out there and the baby route has been done over and over on every other show out there. Let's show Meredith and Derek as a COUPLE...Talking about things, not just "let's start talking and then have sex and never finish our conversation" but REALLY talk about things! I DO NOT WANT A MCBABY!

Rose: Don't like her, but don't hate her either. I personally see no chemistry between LS and PD but that could just be me. I think right now Derek is "settling" for Rose because he can't have Mer right now. He'll give it a shot with Rose but let's face it...Derek has a Meredith shaped hole in his heart that ca only be filled with Meredith. He's in love with her. I think Rose is just going to help drive that point home.

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[info]dermerfan
2008-03-11 08:02 pm UTC (link)
Continuing from my above comment...

We all knew they were going to end up together but I was begining to assume it would be during the series finale like "Friends" did with Rachel and Ross where by that time everyone was like, "Of course they got together...Who cares now? It's over." That's why I'm thrilled with the possibility that Shonda is putting Meredith and Derek together now and we can actually watch them really grow as a couple...through good and bad and be stronger for it in the end. It'll be refreshing to see them disagree or argue but come back later and say "okay, we disagree, let's talk about it" instead of saying, "We fought, this is too hard, let's break up." Of course I might be giving Shonda a bit too much credit there but I hope we can see that....After all, if she IS going to put them together "for good" there's bound to be some disagreements...every couple has them, but I look forward to seeing them work THROUGH those times together. That's why I loved Derek's speech to Mer at the end of "Great Expectations" when Mer just assumed he wouldn't show up because he yelled at her...She admitted she'd never done this before and I think a lightbulb went off in his head. They talked about it, he reassured her and everything was okay. I want more moments like that!

Addison: I'm probably in the minority here...In fact, I don't know anybody else that feels the way I do about Addison but I never really warmed up to her character. I don't see the point of bringing her back for just one episode. I think it's just a way to do some "advertising" for Private Practice via GA so that viewers remember to tune in for it when it returns. I really think it's unfair to the Addison/Mark & the Addison/Alex fans. What can she really do in ONE episode? I don't mind her having a conversation with Derek and maybe putting him in another gear so to speak where Mer is concerned but I don't think Addison is the only person that could do that (Bailey actually might be a better choice for that. I love the Bailey/Derek friendship and Bailey HAS seen them go through it all). So again, I don't really see the point in her return, but I don't really care one way or the other...I know there are people out there that are elated that she's coming back and I'm happy for them.

I think that's all I have to say....I know, I wrote a novel. Sorry! Thank you for giving me a place to talk about this with someone else. I blog about it on my myspace but no one ever comments back or offers up their to cents so I'm thrilled to be able read what someone else thinks and offer my thoughts on it. :)

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[info]greysaddict522
2008-03-11 08:22 pm UTC (link)
You and I are in 100% agreement on all of these things. The baby idea is awful. Just...yuck. I can see a world where it gets written in eventually, like if EP gets pregnant, but please not now. Talk about world's worst idea... And Derek really is seriously dark and damaged, but no one ever seems to see that because he says things that make us McMelty and forget all of the mistakes he's made. That character has so much more potential in so many ways. I'm thrilled that Addie will be back on for an episode, if for no other reason than her character had zero closure at the end of last season. She needs to talk to Derek and Mark, IMO. I don't think she'll fix everything, but I do think she'll stir things up a bit.

Other things that I'd like to see on Grey's...
1. George either back with Callie or completely alone for a while. I'm worried that they could do something with George and Lexie, and I would HATE that. His affair with Izzie really ruined his previously awesome character for me a bit, and I want the old Georgie (and the old Izzie) back.

2. Derek needs a new Burke. I hate that Isaiah Washington messed things up so badly because Burke was an important character for the show. Derek needs a rival doctor of some sort to keep him on his toes. Even though they were supposed to be friends at the end, you really got a sense that they were always competitive and ego-maniacs. Now Derek is just the golden child who can do nothing wrong in the hospital. He needs more professional pressure.

3. An actual MerDer fight or confrontation. We started to get there in 4.11, but it wasn't enough. There needs to be shouting and tears (and amazing make-up sex afterwards).

No matter what, I'm thrilled the show is coming back, and I'm relieved by the promise of MerDer back together. I suspect that it will happen before the season finale, but I guess we'll see. Just so long as we're done with the back and forth for no apparent reason, all will be happy in my Grey's fantasy world.

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[info]a_blackpanther
2008-03-11 08:23 pm UTC (link)
*subscribes* Can you petition this Shonda? She really needs to read it.

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Question about Derek's dad
[info]meredithq
2008-03-11 08:43 pm UTC (link)
I remember Nancy mentioning the fact that their dad was dead when she came to visit Derek, but that's the only mention of the dad I remember. Does anyone else remember any other clues about Derek's dad? It seems like a lot of fanfiction assumes he died when Derek was young and that it was traumatic...but is this fanon or canon?

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[info]sharipep
2008-03-11 10:47 pm UTC (link)
I don't really want Addison having anything to do with getting Derek and Meredith back together, esp. if its going to involve her giving him some kind of pep talk. because it will just be yet another example of Derek taking someone else's words or advice as gospel and making life altering decisions based upon them.

The MerDer in me is hopeful and excited. But I just can't help but feel she's ruined them beyond repair, beyond credibility. Sucks. Its sad.

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[info]jime22
2008-03-11 11:35 pm UTC (link)
Just out of curiosity (hope it’s ok to ask this here, Aria), but what kind of storylines would you guys like to see once these two are back together? I have a few ideas but up until today I was getting slightly scared because “the baby topic” seemed to be all over the place, glad to know I am not the only one who feels differently about it.

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(no subject) - [info]ariaadagio, 2008-03-11 11:50 pm UTC
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[info]carsonfiles
2008-03-12 12:26 am UTC (link)
I am not dying for the show to start up again. I won't be surprised in the slightest if the baby is the get back together spark. And then we'll see the baby for a few episodes (like whatEVER that child's name was in Friends). . .and then over one summer, the kid will age about 5 years. After all, I think it's the only stupid plot device that we didn't see in season 3.

It seems the TWOP fora haven't learned balance. Last spring, when I was so irritated post "Desire" with Derek, they were all over Meredith. I certainly identify with Meredith more, probably because we know more about her (it is, after all, Grey's), but I think I've always presented the view that these are two wounded people who are doing the best they can to deal with each other. At different points, I get frustrated with them both, but overall I think I come out even.

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-12 01:00 pm UTC (link)
Thank you Aria for giving us a good place to discuss Meredith and Derek.

from my last post on TWoP:

I've always felt that Rose/Plant was all about Derek's reaction to her NDE. Since Meredith didn't swim and fight with everything she had to come back to him when she was in the water, he feels deep down inside that he isn't good enough for Mer, that he wasn't worth it to her. And, I think he is also haunted by the idea that Meredith's nearly dying was his fault because he knew when he pulled her out of the bathtub that something was wrong but since she said she was fine he let her go to work that day. I also think this is what was behind the "can't breathe for you" speech, that he felt that she had given up on him and that he was powerless to do anything about it, even to continue to breathe for her. To me, there is a logical explanation for why Derek is acting the way he is now, but none of it has been shown on the screen yet because instead of them talking about all of this, Shonda and the writers went with Rose/Plant, and well, we all know how well that worked out.

I also agree with Carsonfiles in that I've always tried to present the view that Meredith and Derek are both two wounded people, in great pain for a whole host of reasons, who need to heal together.

As far as potential storylines:

1. Cristina's reaction to their re-uniting - how will she react?

2. We finally meet Derek's family, and I hope it's not because he gets sick or is hurt.

3. The Chief's reaction - will it make try to re-unite with Adele.

In the end I totally agree with liljan that it would be enough if it's just shown that they are together in other storylines (patients, Cristina's new love interest)

Also, Ausiello mentions that he
thinks that one reason Rose is on for 5 more episodes is that the show already agreed to pay her. I agree here that this is the real reason why she is staying - she will be a catalyst for Meredith and Derek but I don't think she will pay a very large role - it's mainly a business decision, and not a plot driven situation.

And Aria, I'm a writer and I went through an entire year of writer's block. I don't care how long it will take you to finish LST, I will happily wait to read it.

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Re: from New Yorker - (Anonymous), 2008-03-12 02:38 pm UTC
Re: from New Yorker - [info]liljan98, 2008-03-12 03:19 pm UTC

[info]chickwith_stick
2008-03-12 03:08 pm UTC (link)
I'm worried that by Grey's standards, the NDE has been glossed over and will now only be mentioned in passing.

And dear lord I do not want to see Mere with a baby.

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-12 05:37 pm UTC (link)
I was wondering how others were feeling about Shonda's statements. I was happy when I read them. I know the writers have made mistakes on the show but I was holding out hope that the statements meant they got that. I was hoping that Meredith & Derek would be put back together in a way that could be believable, without either being made to look bad. Am I the only one that thinks there is at least a small possibility of that?

I stupidly went to twop to read the spoilers. Team Doom and Gloom from the MerDer thread has overtaken that too, so warning for anyone trying to avoid the misery.

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